Next, we drop into the interrogation rooms of Anchorage. We hear Alaska State Troopers as they interview an elusive Robert C. Hansen — arrested in a sweep that takes in his bakery, his home, his airplane and his vehicles. Later — months later — we’ll hear him in the offices of the Anchorage District Attorney’s office where, theoretically, he will “clear the decks.” Even during these precise moments, there was much that authorities didn’t know. There was a lot of ground to cover.<\/p>\n\n\n
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Given that background there was, to be sure, a great deal of tension during the search of Hansen’s house, one of the primary sites on an October day in 1983. Glenn Flothe has told me, more than once, that the dominant feeling was one of “we sure hope you’re right, Glenn.” Right as in they hoped they’d find critical evidence at Hansen’s house. <\/p>\n\n\n\n
Maxine Farrell was there, looking for jewelry. She had the list of “mementoes,” offered by those who’d reported their missing dancer friends. Officer Gregg Baker was there, too, part of a squad of investigators taking the house quadrant by quadrant. It was Baker who remembered seeing a cache of rifles during his first visit. A cache that included what he thought was a mini-14. The alleged murder weapon.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Hours Go By<\/h3>\n\n\n\n
At the house, the hours dripped by. So many hours that Robert Hansen’s five hour interrogation was finished and he was off to the jailhouse. And still no sign of the critical evidence. No mementoes. No jewelry. But plenty of firearms. <\/p>\n\n\n\n
Among them, Baker hoped to find the mini-14. No such luck.<\/p>\n\n\n\n By the time Glenn Flothe arrived at Old Harbor Road, things had succumbed to the dismal thought that they were looking for hidden treasure. Maybe even missing treasure. An unspoken explanation was that Hansen had ditched it, forever taking it beyond their reach. Soon they were closing in on midnight. There was only one quadrant left. The attic. Gregg Baker had wanted to search it back in June 1983. It was no dice then. But now the stakes had changed. They had to know what, if anything, was up there. <\/p>\n\n\n\n Crawling through attic insulation is the shittiest of all jobs. It’s dirty, dusty, almost suffocating. Drawing that dubious straw was AST Lt. Pat Kasnick. A man who was allergic to the stuff.<\/p>\n\n\n Soon enough he’d found a cache of firearms. And a plastic bag filled with jewelry. Bingo. That’s all they needed to know. <\/p>\n\n\n\n The confrontation during Hansen’s “confession” is, admittedly, old hat to me. I’ve read the transcripts. Heard the tapes. Shivered in my boots as Hansen digresses into trivia in a headlong attempt to avoid accountability.<\/p>\n\n\n\n The words I haven’t<\/em> heard are from Hansen’s counsel, Fred Dewey and Joe Evans. For better or worse, Butcher, Baker<\/em> was told through the Trooper’s eyes. Episode 5 <\/strong>contains a special treat, especially for me. Joe Evans takes us through the thoughts and emotions that surged through Hansen’s defense team. Evans’ insights into the entire “clear the decks” incident is pure gold. <\/p>\n\n\n\n And, of course, there’s a cliff hanger. From contemporaneous reports, we know there was a shouting match between Hansen and his attorney’s during a side meeting at his confession. I anticipate we’ll soon know more about that, too. Thanks in advance, Joe!<\/p>\n\n\n\n I won’t add more because, really, you should check out the podcast for yourself. This is great story telling that adds a lot to the base story Walter Gilmour and I shared with the world more than thirty years ago. <\/p>\n\n\n\n [Amazon Podcast<\/a>] [Apple Podcast<\/a>] [Google Podcast<\/a>] [Spotify Podcast<\/a>] <\/p>\n\n\n\n [Hansen] was arrogant about it until he decided to \u2018clear the decks’ \u2026 this time he\u2019s got a little problem because we got a dead<\/em> prostitute out there that\u2019s been shot and he can\u2019t simply say, \u2018yeah, I was with her that night and the last time I saw her I dropped her off and 4th<\/sup> and B’\u2013 \u2018cause now you\u2019re talking murder.<\/p>\nSgt. Glenn Flothe, interviewed by Leland E. Hale<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n Dr. Michelle Ward has a PhD in Clinical Neuroscience\/Psychology from USC. She has served as an expert trial consultant in criminal cases involving a multitude of violent murderers. Her podcast series features her own personal and professional insights, as well as comments from family and friends of both the killer and the victim. <\/p>\n\n\n\n Copyright Leland E. Hale (2024). All rights reserved.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n Purchase Butcher, Baker<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n Order my latest book, “What Happened In Craig<\/strong>,” HERE<\/strong><\/a> and HERE<\/a><\/strong>. True crime from Epicenter Press about Alaska\u2019s Worst Unsolved Mass Murder.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n Mind of a Monster: Ep. 5 Episode 5 of Mind of a Monster: The Butcher Baker, takes us deep into…<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-26406","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"yoast_head":"\n![\"know\"](\"https:\/\/lelandhale.com\/butcherbaker\/images\/hansen-stolen-guns.png\")
Way Too Long<\/h3>\n\n\n\n
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Things I Didn’t Know<\/h3>\n\n\n\n
Tune In Now<\/h3>\n\n\n\n
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